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以下轉貼Hugh WhiteRory Medcalf兩位教授就中、美關係未來發展及美國策略的論辯。過去本市已發表/轉貼過多篇關於此議題的論述;請見以下所附索引。

 

如我常說:「凡論述必有前提;凡判斷必有立場。」以及「論述無所謂對、錯;只問是否說得通。」。而「說得通」的要件是一致、相容、和能與部份現實印證。各位可參考這三個判準,自行決定各家觀點的「說得通度」。當然,這三個判準也適用於各位的「論述」和「判斷」。

 

歡迎參加討論。

 

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中美關係評論索引

 

以下是我用中美關係」做「關鍵字」在本市搜尋的結果。我相信還有其他的相關評論,以後再增補。前三篇是區區、小弟、在下、老夫、我的拙作。重新看了一下,內容大致沒有需要修改或補充之處。

 

淺談中、美關係

https://city.udn.com/2976/1196451

 

淺評中、美關係 -- 詮釋專家的意見

https://city.udn.com/2976/3889533#rep3889533

 

美國衰落大概不是好事

https://city.udn.com/2976/1551447#rep1551447

 

中美關係持續穩定 - 白樂琦

https://city.udn.com/2976/4823423#rep4823423

 

暗潮洶湧的中、美關係 -- M. Calabresi

https://city.udn.com/2976/4435380#rep4435380

 

中、美關係的實際與外交詞令 -- B. Feller

https://city.udn.com/2976/4428102#rep4428102

 

解讀中美關係現狀未來 - 羅蘭提供

https://city.udn.com/2976/4424757

 

朱成虎:中美共治是忽悠中國 -- 中時記者 亓樂義

https://city.udn.com/2976/4214323

 

中國自認老二:美國還是老大 ---- 中央社

https://city.udn.com/2976/3887443

 

帝國主義亡我之心從未死過 - niya511

https://city.udn.com/2976/2882075#rep2882075

 

還有這篇:中國應幫助美國稱霸 - lukacs

https://city.udn.com/2976/1556941#rep1556941

 

全球經濟的中美共治時代 已經來臨? -- 徐麗玲

https://city.udn.com/2976/3321757?tpno=12&cate_no=80786

 

希拉蕊訪中 - MATTHEW LEE

https://city.udn.com/2976/3296327?tpno=12&cate_no=80786

 

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Why a U.S.-China ‘Grand Bargain’ in Asia Would Fail

 

A new book argues for a ‘concert of powers’ to enhance stability while conceding to Beijing a 'sphere of influence'. It would be a mistake.

 

Rory Medcalf, 08/10/12

 

Prominent Australian security thinker Hugh White has sounded the alarm over Asia’s strategic future with his provocative new book The China Choice.

 

Despite, or because of, its contentious recommendations, this work ought to inspire debate on the most critical question to the future of Indo-Pacific Asia and indeed all of global security. That is: how can the regional order incorporate a rising China and its interests without allow Beijing to become destabilizingly dominant?

 

In often stark terms, Professor White outlines why the United States should share power with China to avoid rivalry, a new Cold War and potentially catastrophic conflict.

 

This experienced former senior defense official presents a taut warning about the dangers ahead if the United States does not radically reconsider its Asia policy in light of China’s rise.

 

Much of his diagnosis is hard to fault. Especially sharp is his dissection of America’s concept for taking on China in a so-called AirSea Battle which, weirdly, seems to wish away any risks of nuclear escalation.

 

And it is all to the good that White robustly questions the notion that diplomatic business as usual will be sufficient to accommodate China’s expanding interests and expectations.

 

Yet for all that, there remain troubling gaps in White’s recommendation – echoed this week by former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating – that U.S. allies and other third countries should urge America to set new limits on how and where it pushes back against China.

 

It is one thing to counsel Washington towards a supposedly new way of thinking in which it accepts clear limits to its interests and influence in Asia to help ensure peace. It is entirely another to nominate where the line should be drawn. This is the harder task, yet The China Choice is frustratingly guarded on this score.

 

At the heart of the book is an argument that the United States should partner with China in maintaining Asia’s stability through an exclusive ‘concert of powers’, and that this would include conceding to China a sphere of influence.

The dangerous alternative, says White, is that Washington will refuse to give up its quest to sustain military and strategic dominance in Asia, resulting in confrontation and quite possibly war. He fully agrees that U.S. pre-eminence long kept the peace, but says in effect that these days are over as China grows more confident in staring down American deterrence.

 

He works through many of the states in Asia – from South Korea to Japan to Southeast Asia and India – suggesting reasons why America would not wish to risk war by fully backing them up in a crisis, and why they themselves would be unlikely to join America in somebody else’s fight with China. If solidarity is really so thin, then China can cease fretting about perceived American strategies of encirclement.

 

This line of analysis also seems somewhat at odds with another of the book's judgments: that even if the United States withdrew from Asia, Chinese dominance would be impossible because the rest of Asia collectively could balance against Beijing. If most Asian nations genuinely see the risks outweighing the benefits in helping America balance against China now, what would change their minds in the even more fragile setting of American retrenchment?

 

The real problem, though, with The China Choice is also one of its virtues: the sheer neatness of its argument.

 

It calls for a new order in which China's authority and influence grow enough to satisfy the Chinese, while America's role remains large enough to ensure China's power is not misused.

 

This elegant formula downplays the realities faced by the many other nations across Indo-Pacific Asia that place as much premium as China does on their own security and national dignity.

 

To be fair, White does not deny that it will be exceptionally hard for America and China to negotiate mutually acceptable limits that would make their power-sharing arrangement possible or stable.

 

Conscious that his idea is vulnerable to being caricatured as something like appeasement, he underscores that Washington would need to be absolutely firm and clear to China about these boundaries. Otherwise, there would be real risks – as he acknowledges – of initial American concessions giving China the false expectation of more, and leading potentially to war through miscalculation.

 

So far, so good. But what might those limits be? It may be unreasonable to expect one author to have all the answers on what Chinese and American spheres of influence would look like in a changed Asia. After all, this is not purely about drawing lines on a map but also about fine judgment regarding permissible Chinese and American policies towards third parties and their domestic affairs.

 

Still, it is disappointing that, having identified some sort of Chinese sphere of influence as necessary for great-power peace, the book devotes just a few paragraphs to the “complex and delicate question” — some would say the crucial question — of what this space would look like.

 

A workable sphere of influence, we are told, cannot directly affect the vital interests of other great powers. Most Asian countries are not named as candidates for being within the sphere. The potential status of the Koreas and Burma, for instance, is not made clear. Japan is explicitly excluded, since trying to include one great power in another’s sphere of influence would void the whole concert idea and lead to dangerous instability.

 

Only Indochina is held out as a demonstration of what might need to be on the table. The political autonomy of Laos, or part thereof, is given as an example of what might reasonably be conceded in the interests of avoiding U.S.-China rivalry. This is hardly shocking news, being not far off a description of that country’s present status.

 

Next the question of Vietnam is raised and left unanswered. One suspects the Vietnamese would have their own answers and on this issue, at least, they get a vote.

 

Moving to the South China Sea, “to concede that would be to concede more than is compatible with the vital interests of other great powers”. Agreed – but there is no sign of China’s abandoning or even being willing to negotiate its sweeping claims in those waters, reinforced of late by the establishment of an island city and garrison.

 

And if preventing coercion of other claimants in the South China Sea is in fact at the non-negotiable limit of American accommodation of China, then the grand bargain is already looking like a non-starter.

 

On China’s part, would it really settle for a sphere of influence amounting to not much more than a bit of Indochina? And if it would, then why all the fuss?

 

Of course a comprehensive attempt at defining workable boundaries for hypothetical U.S. and Chinese spheres of influence would require another whole book. And the impression from the present volume is that drawing these lines would be a job for American and Chinese statecraft.

 

But this means that for the time being we have to make do with an assumption, rather than proof, that some kind of stable demarcation of U.S. and Chinese spheres of influence in 21st century Asia will be possible. And if such an outcome proves elusive, then we are back to finding ways of managing the risks of the here and now.

 

One area where White’s conclusions are most challenging to the status quo is that most literal of China choices, the future of Taiwan. He points to the diminution of America’s credibility in being able militarily to defend Taiwan, thanks to China’s new maritime anti-access capabilities and the possibility of nuclear escalation. “The U.S. can no longer prevent China from seizing Taiwan by force,” he writes.

 

But what U.S. policy might replace it? The given answer is that the U.S. ought to encourage “eventual, peaceful, consensual reunification”. That may well where present trends of cross-strait economic and social links are headed. But relying solely on this prospect is as much a hope as a policy.

 

Turning to Japan, Professor White’s analysis and prescriptions hold a special and controversial place for North Asia’s second great power. Not only would Tokyo be outside a notional Chinese sphere of influence. Along with India, Japan would join China and America among the big four, a so-called concert of powers to set the rules of stability for everyone in the new Asian order.

 

To do so with confidence, though, Japan’s security posture would need drastic surgery. For the U.S. to durably share power with China without constantly having to manage Japanese anxieties, there would need to be a termination of the U.S.-Japan alliance, at least as we know it. Japan would then almost certainly need its own nuclear weapons to deter any possible future Chinese (or presumably North Korean) nuclear blackmail, though whether the Japanese polity could ever make such a radical shift is unclear.

 

Of course, how China, South Korea or the global non-proliferation regime might respond to that game-changer would be a whole new cascade of conundrum. The end of the Washington-Tokyo alliance could also have large and unsettling consequences for other U.S. alliances in Asia and globally.

 

But returning to the concert of powers: White crafts a smart case for adapting this 19th century European invention to 21st century Asia. This is not the first time the concert idea has been examined in the Asian security debate. White, however, has gone further than others in refining and boldly endorsing it as the least bad solution to Asia’s strategic ills.

What remains uncertain is how his concert of four might come into being. From the original post-Napoleonic concert of powers in Europe to the 1945 victors’ club of the United Nations Security Council, such arrangements have coalesced only after cataclysmic war.

 

The standard criticism of a concert of powers is that it is a club of the powerful setting the rules for all in the name of stability, often at the expense of the rest. In short, it is not fair. White makes a strong case that this injustice is a reasonable price to avoid the kind of great-power war that in an interconnected world would bring grief to all. Since his and my own middle-power country Australia is one that would miss out on a seat at the concert table, his analytical detachment here is commendable.

 

But most nations would hardly embrace the idea with equanimity. How might so many countries in Asia and beyond be persuaded to consent to the writ of just four? Would a non-interference pact among Washington, Beijing, New Delhi and Tokyo extend across their increasingly global interests? If so, what would be the downside for others, not least Europe and Russia? If not, how might the United States and China avoid clashes of interests in, say, the Middle East or Africa?

 

So many questions. It is to Hugh White’s credit that his book raises them. If it stirs its readers from silence, complacency or smugness about the policies of the moment, it will have done its work.

 

He is right of course that a changing Asia faces troubled times ahead. Regardless of whether peace will require grand and parsimonious diplomatic blueprints, it will certainly need much else that is in uneven supply, including smart statesmanship, dogged crisis-management and the kind of operational confidence-building measures that kept the Cold War cold.

 

Peace will also be advanced by habits of mutual respect, open-mindedness about compromise and a focus on shared interests – features, incidentally, of President Obama’s early efforts to engage China, where White neglects to give due credit.

 

White is harsh on Obama, especially for moments of confrontational rhetoric which could be taken as denigrating the legitimacy of the Chinese system and its historic achievement in improving the welfare of so many people (“prosperity without freedom is another form of poverty”.)

 

But then The China Choice is all about fronting America with the kind of frank and unsolicited advice that only a friend can give and a democracy can take.

 

Rory Medcalf is director of the international security program at the Lowy Institute, Australia

 

http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/10/why-a-u-s-china-grand-bargain-in-asia-would-fail/



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The China Choice: A Bold Vision for U.S.-China Relations

 

Instead of maintaining a dangerous status-quo, Washington should attempt a new approach to avoid a possible deadly strategic rivalry.

 

Hugh White, 08/17/12

 

My new book, The China Choice, explores the decision America faces about its relations with China and its role in Asia as China’s power grows. But the title may be a little misleading, because of course there is more than one choice to be made. America faces at least two decisions, and one of the keys to making them well and getting them right is to consider them in the right order.

 

The first is on the question of principle: should America even contemplate changing the role it plays in Asia, in order to accommodate China’s rising power, or should it insist on preserving the status quo? The second is on the question of degree: how far should America be willing to go to accommodate China, and where should it draw the line beyond which it is not willing to make further concessions?

 

Rory Medcalf’s valuable critique of the book here on The Diplomat last week focuses primarily on the second question, and makes some important points about it which I will explore a little later. But I’ll start by saying something about the first question, because we cannot decide how far Washington should go to accommodate Beijing before we are quite clear that it should even try to do so, and why.

 

In The China Choice I argue that America should try to accommodate China’s growing power. I propose that it should be willing negotiate a new regional order in which it continues to play a major strategic role, but not the kind of primacy that it has exercised until now. The main reason is simply that China no longer accepts U.S. primacy as the basis for the Asian order, and that as its power grows to equal and overtake America’s, the chances of successfully imposing primacy on China are too low, and the risks and costs of trying are too high, to be justified.

 

Even if China may not become strong enough to dominate Asia itself, it is already strong enough to prevent the U.S. maintaining primacy. If America tries to perpetuate the status quo, there is a very real risk of an escalating contest which neither side could win, and which could very easily flare into a major, and perhaps catastrophic, war. The main reason for America to seek an accommodation with China is to reduce the risk of such a catastrophe.

 

Many people will disagree. Some of them think that the relationship with China is working fine, and that accommodation – or further accommodation – is unnecessary. They think that Washington is committed to a good relationship with Beijing, and that China will be satisfied with the kind of relationship America is offering now.

 

I think this is too optimistic. The relationship today can manage day-to-day stresses, but is not robust enough to withstand real problems. Some people cite the Chen case earlier this year as proof that the relationship is strong, but the fact that such a minor issue can cause such anxieties about the future of the world’s most important bilateral relationship surely points the other way. The U.S.-China relationship is probably going to have to face much greater stresses in future, and it is not at all clear that it is strong enough to withstand them. Furthermore, the relationship seems to be getting weaker rather than stronger over time, so the risk of a rupture grows.

 

The present fabric of the relationship is weak and getting weaker because China’s and America’s ambitions in Asia over coming decades are inherently incompatible. It is important to my argument to explain why this should be so. Those who think that America is already accommodating China have perhaps not really registered what is at stake here. For the past 40 years the Asian strategic order, and the U.S.-China relationship, have been based on a conception of American leadership which places all other countries in Asia in a clearly subordinate position. American policy today precludes any substantial change in this status quo over the coming decades. This was made clear by Barack Obama in his speech in Canberra in November of last year.

 

American optimism about the future of the relationship therefore depends on the hope that China will find this acceptable. It is often said that America’s policy towards China today is not containment. But Washington clearly does resist any substantial expansion of China’s influence at the expense of U.S. primacy. So if it’s not containment, that can only be because China is not seeking such an expansion.

 

That seems to be wishful thinking. China accepted American primacy when America was many times richer and stronger than China. Now that the balance of relative power has changed, China’s ambitions have expanded. It would be very surprising if they hadn’t. Moreover those ambitions go very deep, fuelled by nationalism. There is no reason to assume that China is not just as committed to changing the status quo to increase its influence as America is to preserving the status quo to maintain its influence. So there is no reason to assume that China will just back down, and more than America will.

 

This means that, unless America is willing to withdraw from Asia, it does face a choice between accommodating China or competing with it. Some people – like Professor Aaron Friedberg of Princeton – see the probability of rivalry but argue against seeking an accommodation with China because they think the costs of accommodation would be higher than those of rivalry. This may turn out to be true, because it partly depends on how much we would have to concede to China to reach an accommodation.

 

But those who argue that we should not even seek an accommodation must assume that the costs of any possible deal with Beijing would outweigh the costs of rivalry. That view seems to me to imply a very serious underestimation of the kind of rivalry we might be talking about and where it might lead. As a rival, China is already the most formidable country America has every faced, because it is economically stronger relative to America than any country has been in over a century. A war with China would be hard to contain, and could swiftly become bigger than anything since the Second World War, dwarfing Vietnam and Korea. There would be a real chance of escalation to nuclear exchanges from which U.S. cities might not be spared. These risks must weigh very seriously in any policy debate. It is hard to argue that they do not justify at least exploring the possibility of accommodation with China.

 

This brings us then to the second choice America faces – how far should the U.S. go in trying to accommodate China? What kind of regional order, and how much Chinese influence, should Washington be willing to accept, as the price for avoiding rivalry and reducing the risk of conflict? I think this question is relatively easy to answer in the abstract, but much harder to answer in detail.

 

Giving a broad answer must start with an understanding of what China might settle for. It makes no sense to agree to explore some kind of accommodation with China unless we are willing to at least consider conceding enough to meet Beijing’s minimum demands. My working hypothesis is that the least China will accept as a satisfactory basis for Asia’s strategic order over the next few decades is a position of equality with the U.S. – an equal sharing of power between the region’s strongest states.

 

To many Americans and others this will seem like a very big concession indeed, but I doubt it would look like that from China’s perspective. I think most Chinese probably hope that as China overtakes the U.S. to become the world’s richest state they will take over from the U.S. as the sole leading power in Asia, and would be very disappointed to settle for mere equal status with America, and perhaps with other great powers as well.

 

In fact Beijing would only settle for this if it was absolutely clear that the U.S. and other Asian countries would actively oppose a Chinese bid for a larger role, entailing big costs and risks. My hunch is that China would be willing to accept these costs and risks to gain equal status with the U.S., but not to gain primacy over the U.S. So while we cannot be sure that China will settle for equality, we can be sure it will not settle for less.

 

Could America concede that much? In The China Choice I conclude that U.S. core interests in Asia could be protected under this kind of order, because the U.S. would stay engaged in Asia and could constrain the way China used its power. But allowing this much strategic space to China would nonetheless be very difficult politically for American leaders. Indeed it would be unprecedented. America has never dealt with another country in this way before. On the other hand, America has never had to deal with a country as strong as China before, so it is perhaps inevitable that dealing with China will take America into new, uncharted and perhaps uncomfortable territory.

 

My book does not suggest that treating China as an equal would be easy for America. It would be very hard, and America should only consider it if the consequences of not doing so were very grave. My argument is that the consequences of rivalry with China are very grave indeed.

 

Finally, then, we have to explore in more detail how this kind of new order in Asia, built on a relationship of equality between the U.S. and China, could work. This is a very hard question. Any such order, if it could be constructed, would be uniquely shaped by the negotiations and understandings that brought it into being. However, in my book I try to provide ideas about the form it might take by drawing an analogy between the kind of order that could emerge in Asia between a number of great powers of equal status and the Concert of Europe that evolved in the 19th century. I think that offers a starting point for thinking about how it might function.

 

But how all this might work worries Rory Medcalf, and he raises several legitimate queries in his essay. Let me touch on a few of them, starting with the question of “spheres of influence.” I must say it worries me too, which is why I addressed it in the book. Should we be willing, as part of a broader settlement, to concede to any of the great powers in a Concert of Asia, a “sphere of influence” in the old-fashioned sense of a privileged status in regard to a number of neighboring states? My tentative conclusion – reached reluctantly – was that we might, as long as it did not infringe on the vital interests of other great powers in the system.

 

That might mean we could, reluctantly, accept spheres of influence to China and India on mainland Asia, but not over the Western Pacific where Japanese and American vital interests are at stake. As their power grows this might be no more than accepting the inevitable. Some will be shocked at this tolerance for such a 19th century concept, but what after all is America’s Monroe Doctrine, or Australia’s policy of strategic exclusion in the South West Pacific, but claims to spheres of influence?

 

Second, Rory worries about Japan. So do I. My hunch is that Japan and India, which I see as both being great powers in the Asian system, must join any Concert of Asia as full and equal members if it is to work. As Rory notes, I accept the implication that this means Japan would have to emerge as a nuclear power. Of course I agree that this would be immensely difficult both regionally and domestically. I would welcome any suggestions about other ways in which Japan might fit into a new Asian order which did not require it either to remain a strategic client of America, become a strategic client of China, or become an independent nuclear power. I can’t think of any, and so on balance I think it may be the least bad outcome.

 

Third, Rory worries about the fate of Asia’s middle and smaller powers if the great powers get together and organize the region between themselves. This too is a real problem. But the point I make in the book is that it may be better than the alternative, even for the small and middle powers themselves. The rests of us, including Australia, have to ask ourselves whether we would be better off with the great powers doing deals, or being rivals. The old ASEAN joke has it that the ants get squashed whether the elephants fight or make love. In fact, however, they get squashed much flatter when the elephants fight.

 

And finally, Rory wonders how this Concert could possibly come about. The diplomacy seems impossibly difficult, and it will be something of a miracle if, somehow, this kind of order can be conjured into being. The only reason to think it might happen is that the consequences of not doing so would be so disastrous for everyone. Even so, I do not predict it will happen, I only hope it will.

 

Hugh White is the author of the new book The China Choice: Why America Should Share Power . The book is available on Black Inc.'s website here. He is professor of strategic studies at ANU and a visiting fellow at the Lowy Institute.

 

http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/17/the-china-choice-a-bold-vision-for-u-s-china-relations/



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