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美國今天很熱鬧. 年底總統選舉, 今天是第一個州舉行初選.

美國的初選制度, 是決定總統候選人的方法.

這個制度, 雖然不是完美. 但是很透明, 規則清楚, 候選人必須遵守規則, 不可以搓湯圓搞暗盤, 選民直接控制結果.

今天舉辦初選的愛阿華州, 是第一個舉辦初選的州. 結果會影響其他州的選民, 所以成為美國總統選戰的蘆溝橋.

由於美國是聯邦制, 每個州有許多自由. 愛阿華州就搶先取得頭籌, 也就是所有候選人肉搏戰的第一現場.

選民可以在初選中, 選擇一個候選人.

有些州, 選民必須註冊, 不能跨黨投票.

有些州, 選民不必須註冊, 可以跨黨投票. 卻不能投自己的黨. 所以, 如果自己支持的黨, 選情底定, 也可以跨黨搗亂票.

以今年為例, 麥芽糖的第一選擇, 是喜拉芮:

共和黨的麥肯也是老丐的第三選項:

像上次, 連戰搓宋當副手, 馬這次擠掉宋, 在美國的制度, 是不能夠過關的.

麥芽糖也認為: 馬英九欠臺灣藍色選民, 讓宋爭取提名的機會!

拋磚引玉, 麥芽糖歡迎網友發表高見.






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2012/10/30 12:34 【不平則鳴】 僅有兩位候選人, 美國仍然可能再度選出少數得票總統!
2008/01/08 07:47 【企鵝爸爸的網誌】 怪異而不合理的美國選舉制度
2008/01/08 00:32 【不平則鳴】 總統大選, 麥丐新聞, 候選人初選辯論.
2008/01/03 04:11 【不平則鳴】 民主選舉制度分析
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如果仔細檢查: 這個發生問題的地方, 不是別處, 正是當年, 爭執不息, 布希轉輸為贏, 它弟弟當州長的佛羅里達州!

Voter registration problems widening in Florida

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — What first appeared to be an isolated problem in one Florida county has now spread statewide, withelection officials in nine counties informing prosecutors or state election officials about questionable voter registration forms filled out on behalf of the Republican Party of Florida.

State Republican officials already have fired the vendor it had hired to register voters, and took the additional step of filing an election fraud complaint against the company, Strategic Allied Consulting, with state officials. That complaint was handed over Friday to state law-enforcement authorities.

A spokesman for Florida's GOP said the matter was being treated seriously.

"We are doing what we can to find out how broad the scope is," said Brian Burgess, the spokesman.

Florida is the battleground state where past election problems led to the chaotic recount that followed the 2000 presidential election.

The Florida Democratic Party called on the state to "revoke" the ability of state Republicans to continue to register voters while the investigation continues. Oct. 9 is the deadline to register to vote in the Nov. 6 presidential election.

"It is clear that the Republican Party of Florida does not have the institutional controls in place to be trusted as a third-party, voter registration organization," said Scott Arceneaux, executive director of the Florida Democratic Party.

The Republican Party of Florida has paid Strategic Allied Consulting more than $1.3 million, and the Republican National Committee used the group for work in Nevada, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia.

The company said earlier this week that it was cooperating with elections officials in Florida. It said the suspect forms were turned in by one person, who has been fired.

"Strategic has a zero-tolerance policy for breaking the law," Fred Petti, a company attorney, said Thursday.

An email request to the company seeking additional comment, following the company's instructions, was not immediately returned Friday.

In Florida, it is a third-degree felony to "willfully submit" any false voter registration information, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison.

In recent years, Florida's Republican-controlled Legislature — citing suspicious voter registration forms turned in by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN — has cracked down on groups holding voter registration drives.

The League of Women Voters filed a federal lawsuit against some of the restrictions and Florida agreed earlier this month to drop a new requirement to turn in registration applications within 48 hours after they are signed. The state has reinstated a 10-day deadline.

The questionable forms tied to the Republican Party have showed up in South Florida, including Miami-Dade, as well as counties in southwest and northeast Florida as well as the Florida Panhandle.

Election officials in Escambia and Santa Rosa counties on Thursday handed over more than 100 suspect forms to local prosecutors. They did so days after officials in Palm Beach County also alerted prosecutors.

Ann Bodenstein, the elections supervisor for Santa Rosa County, said her staff started raising questions after an employee saw a form that changed the home address of a neighbor.

Paul Lux, election supervisor for Okaloosa County, said questionable forms in the Florida Panhandle appear to have all come from Strategic's effort based at the local Republican Party headquarters. He said his office has turned up dozens of suspect forms.

Lux said there have been forms that listed dead people and were either incomplete or illegible. He met with local prosecutors on Friday, but added that his staff was still going through hundreds of forms dropped off by Strategic employees.

Lux, who is a Republican, said he warned local party officials earlier this month when he first learned the company was paying people to register voters.

"I told them 'This is not going to end well,'" Lux said.

But Lux added that he did not blame the Republican Party of Florida.

"I can't place the blame on RPOF if they hired a firm and that firm wasn't following the rules they were given to follow," Lux said.

The state party filed the complaint against Strategic Allied Consulting with state election officials, who late Friday handed the case over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

An FDLE spokeswoman said the agency would not automatically open a criminal investigation, but would review to see if there were "possible criminal acts."

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民主黨的女人和黑人候選人, 相持不下.

兩人都無法得到規定票數.

民主黨部急啦!

被他們判死刑的佛羅里達州和密西根州, 擁有許多票.

民主黨部在研究: 如何重選, 啟用這些票來決定 女人和黑人候選人, 誰去面對老人.

女人和黑人候選人的幕僚, 紛紛使出渾身解數.

時兄說對啦!




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佛羅里達州初選結束, 喜拉莉和麥肯出線.

不過, 民主黨部, 為了懲罰佛羅里達州提早初選, 不讓佛羅里達州代表人票, 列入民主黨提名紀錄.

這是這個月初選, 第二次民主黨部不讓州初選結果, 列入民主黨提名計算.

佛羅里達州, 是個大州. 喜拉莉也許不需要這些票爭取提名, 也許飲恨於佛羅里達州, 戈爾就是這樣子!

又一次, 如時季常(受氣包)(ubhuang)所說: 民主黨曝露美國選舉制度的缺失!




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美國總統選舉辦法可能是所有所謂民主國家中最怪異和最不合理的,但是因為沿用已久,當權政客們不願改革,政治學者雖然搖頭,雖然讓世上的有識之士所恥笑,但是美國人已經見怪不怪。一般人誰知道到底是怎麼回事呢?

不僅總統選舉的方法怪,州長的選舉也很有趣。幾年前的紐約州長選舉(2003?),有三個主要的候選人,一個競選三連任的共和黨,一個民主黨,還有一個獨立的億萬富翁。其中有二個人的副州長搭檔竟然是同一個人。換句話說,不論那二人中誰當選,那個搭檔穩當副州長。你說這種事,夠不夠怪異?

如果按照美國的總統選舉在各州贏者全拿的辦法,那麼二千年時當選總統的是宋楚瑜,而不是陳水扁,因為宋楚瑜贏的縣市是最多的,而那些縣市的人口數也是最多的。

當時美國總統選舉也發生類似的事,高爾明明直接票數較多,當選的卻是布希。

麥芽糖(myata)兄說,「像上次, 連戰搓宋當副手, 馬這次擠掉宋, 在美國的制度, 是不能夠過關的.」這個觀察有待商榷。因為,按美國的制度,什麼情形都有可能。

有些美國政客,換黨籍和換衣服一樣,而且還會當選(就是為了當選而換黨籍的)。在大部份的選舉裡,一個人代表五、六個黨參選,這是常事!

我們看到美國總統選舉,好像只有兩黨或是某個獨立候選人的樣子,事實上,每一次美國總統選舉,全部加一加,都有上百個(有人說有三百個)正式的總統候選人,而且是每一州上面的名單都不一樣。換句話說,很多候選人的名字只出現在某些州而已,全國的選票是不一致的。你說夠不夠怪異呢?

不僅全國的選票和名單不一致,連投票和計票的方法也不一致,而決定有效票和無效票的規定當然也不一致。

美國總統選舉,二百多年來,就是一場大混戰,沒有一次選舉是公平的,我所說的公平是形式上的公平,而且沒有一次的選舉結果是可靠的。像二千年高爾和布希之爭,佛羅里達州每一次的重新計票,在幾乎是全世界的觀看之下,出來的數字都不一樣,你說笑不笑死人?

我們在台灣,開票的時候,是公開的,而且是現場的,除了有法定的監票員以外,還有政黨派的監票員,還有附近的居民觀眾,當場開票,當場計票,當場封存,即使是這樣,都還有可能有人作票。

美國選舉,絕大部份是用機器,你那一票投下去,你根本不知道有沒有被計算。美國選舉開票既不是現場,也不是公開的,投票結束後,機器票箱被集中到選舉委員會指定的地方,不公開開票,最多只公開計票!

講到美國選舉辦法的怪異和不合理,我常為美國人感到丟臉!



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美國昨天舉行: 新罕不甚州的總統大選, 候選人初選辯論.

麥芽糖原先看好的共和黨麥肯, 敗像畢露: 只會倚老賣老, 說自己在國安方面的豐功偉業, 完全被這次, 選民要換新的慾望, 給淘汰出局. 幾個捧布希牌的老將, 紛紛被比下去, 反而是跳黨過來的 Ron Paul, 公然批評布希用兵, 造成通貨膨脹, 成為保守派的新寵.

謝謝小二的推薦, 麥芽糖已經開了更有意義的 總統大選, 麥丐新聞, 候選人初選辯論.  歡迎網友出題, 候選人!


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Dear 麥芽糖

特前來恭喜您在【他山之石】城市所發表「美國的初選制度」一文,已經登上聯合新聞網首頁,意見評論|城邦論壇,歡迎有空前往觀看。^_^

非常謝謝您的好文分享,此推薦是利用轉址的方式連結到您的文章。如此文有原因不希望被推薦,請到電小二訪客簿留言,會盡快協助取下。

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In Republican side, Ron Paul showed how he is recognized by GOP as a strong cadidate: he is willing to stand out and say what went wrong with Bush!

Hilary started to attack Abama as she felt threatened.

This is a good debate.

We don't see such interaction in Taiwan! Even more: KMT is able to totally shut Soong out both in 2004 and this time. This is not fair for people in Taiwan!






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