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文武兩邊站, 可可疊羅漢

哈哈!

老丐看到新聞, 快要笑死啦!

美國真的被殲十五上遼寧艦給逼瘋啦!

底下有路透社的原文稿, 這是時報翻譯:

五角大廈敲定合同 40億美元 採購32架F-35

托中國"走, 你"風的福, 美國的軍火商, 洛克希德, 終於得到量產訂單啦?

三十二架?

這是"空中預警機"? 還是"戰略轟炸機"?

猛禽隱形主力戰鬥機 F-22, 是一百八十架. JSF F-35 只有他的六分之一?

ㄡ, 忘記啦! 猛禽當初要九百架.

為什麼主力戰鬥機只做了五分之一?

巧婦難為無米之炊!

JSF F-35, 是要代替小鷹 F-16 和黃蜂 F-18 的呢!

美國的新式戰鬥機, 怎麼跟支持以色列的國策, 在國際的支持度一樣: 越來越縮水?

難怪: 殲十五"走, 你" 美國吹鬍子瞪眼? 看美國: 快要伸腿瞪眼啦!

托殲十五"走, 你"的福 JSF F-35 也要: "走, 你"啦!

哈哈大笑!

The F35-A test fleet stationed at Edwards Air Force Base.

Pentagon, Lockheed agree deal for 32 more F-35 fighters

Deal valued at around $3.8 billion

* Agreement on fifth batch of fighters paves way for sixth

* Lockheed shares up slightly

By Andrea Shalal-Esa

WASHINGTON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp and the U.S. Defense Department have reached an agreement in principle on a fifth batch of 32 additional F-35 fighter planes, the Pentagon said on Friday, bringing nearly a year of negotiations to a close.

The deal is valued at around $3.8 billion, although the two sides are still finalizing details, according to a source familiar with the agreement.

The agreement will also pave the way for talks about preliminary funding for a sixth batch of aircraft that Lockheed, the Pentagon's largest supplier, has been building at its own cost for some time.

Lockheed shares closed 0.3 percent higher at $93.30, outperforming the Arca Defense Index, which was down 0.53 percent.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said details on the cost per aircraft would be released once the final contract is signed.

People familiar with the process said both sides expected to sign a final deal before the end of the year, which will safeguard those funds from cuts if Congress is unable to avert $52 billion in automatic budget cuts to the Pentagon's fiscal 2013 budget that take effect on Jan. 2.

The contract includes the actual aircraft, but will also pay for manufacturing support equipment, instrumentation for flight testing and other mission equipment needed for the new stealth warplanes. The Pentagon is negotiating a separate contract with Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp, which builds the engine for the single-seat, single-engine F-35.

The agreement with Lockheed removes a cloud hanging over the $396 billion F-35 program, the Pentagon's costliest procurement program. Both sides have been trying to reach an agreement on this batch of aircraft since last December.

In September, Major General Christopher Bogdan, who will be the top overseer of the program starting Dec. 6, said he was surprised the negotiations were taking so long and described relations between the two sides as "the worst" he had ever seen in decades of working on big acquisition programs.

Retiring F-35 program executive director, Vice Admiral Dave Venlet, said in a statement on Friday that the deal included lower production costs and set the stage for "improving business timelines" for international partners.

Eight countries are helping fund the development: Britain, ItalyTurkeyNorwayAustralia, Canada, Denmark and the Netherlands. Together, they plan to buy more than 3,100 fighters in coming decades.

Israel and Japan have also ordered the new fighter jet and South Korea is weighing competing bids from Lockheed's F-35 and Boeing Co's F-15 fighter.

Lockheed spokesman Michael Rein said the company expected to reduce labor costs for the fifth batch of planes by 14 percent from the actual costs of the fourth lot. He said the overall cost of the fifth batch would also come down from lot 4 to lot 5, but gave no details.

He said each aircraft in the fifth batch would cost less than 50 percent of the first lot, which was $220.8 million per plane. Those aircraft were delivered to Edwards Air Force Base in California in May 2011.

Loren Thompson, a defense consultant with close ties to Lockheed, said the reduction in labor costs was "sizeable" and the program was on track to reach a cost-per-aircraft in 2018 that would not exceed the price of an F-16 fighter today.

"These lot 5 negotiations were a pivotal point for the F-35 program that will make it much easier to agree on terms for follow-on production," he said.

Current plans call for the cost of an F-35 to be around $66 million in 2018, excluding the engine, which is comparable to an F-16, he added.

The fifth F-35 order includes 22 conventional takeoff and landing variants for the U.S. Air Force, three B-models that can land vertically for the Marine Corps and seven C-models to be used on aircraft carriers for the Navy.

Production of the fifth lot of F-35 jets began in December 2011 under a preliminary "undefinitized contract action." This order for 32 aircraft was on top of 63 production jets already under contract with Lockheed.

Lockheed has delivered a total of 29 low-rate production and 19 developmental aircraft so far. Company officials say they are confident they will meet their commitment to deliver 30 jets this year, despite a 10-week strike by a key union at its Fort Worth plant, which means they still have 10 more planes to deliver this month.

The Pentagon's chief weapons buyer, Frank Kendall, told Reuters on Wednesday the two sides were "getting close" to an agreement after what he described as a "very productive" meeting with Lockheed President Marillyn Hewson.

Hewson also cited progress in talks about additional funding for early work on the sixth batch of F-35 jets.

Lockheed said last month it faced a potential termination liability of $1.1 billion on the sixth batch unless it received additional funding by year end.

The company did received some initial "long-lead" funding for advanced procurement of materials for the aircraft, but that money ran out a while ago. It has continued work using its own money to keep production on track.

美軍40億美元採購32架F-35

  • 2012-12-02 01:24
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     經過近一年就生產成本的拉鋸談判,五角大樓11月30日宣布初步敲定第五批F─35戰機(取自環球網)的採購合同,生產商洛克希德.馬丁公司將向美軍交付32架戰機,造價料約40億美元。一向愛把美國F─35與中國殲─31拿來抓對比較的中國軍事迷,又有茶餘飯後話題了。

     人民網報導,五角大樓通報,此次敲定的第五批F─35戰機包括22架供空軍使用的A式常規起降型戰機,3架供海軍陸戰隊使用的B式垂直起降型戰機,以及7架供海軍使用的C式常規起降艦載型戰機。

     五角大樓未披露32架戰機的成本造價,業界人士估算,第五批戰機平均造價應略低於第四批戰機,料約40億美元。迄今五角大樓確定採購的戰機數升至95架,洛克希德.馬丁公司已交付40餘架。

     不過中國殲─31在露臉前就一直被拿來當F─35的假想敵。權威軍事雜誌英國《詹氏防務週刊》日前引用中航工業的說法,指「殲─31在不帶副油箱的情況下作戰半徑可達1250公里」若屬實,略勝美方的F─35隱形戰機的1110公里。

     目前美國是F─35戰機研發計畫的「牽頭人」,計畫訂購戰機數量超過2400架也最多,英、義、荷、澳、土耳其、加拿大、丹麥及挪威等8盟國計畫訂購近700架。去年日本宣布訂購42架。






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Lockheed, Pentagon Reach $4 Billion Deal For More F-35 Jets

Lockheed Martin and U.S. defense officials have reached agreement on the terms of a contract worth about $4 billion for an eighth batch of 43 F-35 fighter jets. According to the sources, the contract will lower the cost of the radar-evading warplane by about 3 percent and includes jets to be built…

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Lockheed Martin and U.S. defense officials have reached agreement on the terms of a contract worth about $4 billion for an eighth batch of 43 F-35 fighter jets. According to the sources, the contract will lower the cost of the radar-evading warplane by about 3 percent and includes jets to be built for the U.S. military, Britain and other U.S. allies.





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殲-31改款 朝轟炸機版研製

▲殲-31戰鬥機。(取自中新網)
▲殲-31戰鬥機。(取自中新網)

大陸首艘航母「遼寧艦」服役後,艦載機型及第2艘航母的設計重點,引發外界猜測。最新一期英國《詹氏防衛周刊》指出,大陸正在研製殲-31轟炸機版,但若要成為航母艦載機,則需要更大推力的發動機。

20日出版的《詹氏防衛周刊》,刊登美國「國際評估與戰略中心」高級研究員費雪(Richard D. Fisher)撰寫的殲-31改款轟炸機的文章。文章係依據大陸網路流傳的設計圖,研判瀋陽飛機工業(集團)公司或瀋陽航空航太大學,可能正在研發更大型的殲-31隱形戰機的轟炸機版本。

文章說,美國空軍也對F-22的轟炸機版FB-22感到興趣。殲-31的改款,似乎與美國空軍面對情況類似。

美也對F-22進行改版

《詹氏》指出,根據網路流出的設計圖,新版飛機呈現三翼面布局,前有鴨翼,後有平尾,機頭和機尾與2012年10月31日首飛的殲-31類似,機翼升力面兼顧隱形特性;且機翼面積要超過殲-31,增加燃料攜帶能力,從而實現更大打擊半徑,但機身未見增大,內部彈艙也沒畫出來。

《詹氏》認為,如果要在「遼寧艦」上短距起飛、攔阻降落,殲-31的加長增重轟炸機版需要更大推力的發動機。目前配備在殲-31的RD-33發動機是俄羅斯克里莫夫設計局研製,該局還研發了推力達到20000磅的RD-33MK發動機。

陸發展彈射器航母

針對艦載機在航母的起飛助力問題,中共解放軍二炮指揮學院戰略教研室主任邵永靈指出,中國首艘航母向俄羅斯買回時是個空殼子,且採用的是滑躍式起飛,但這種方式不利於重型艦載機發揮作戰效能,對飛機載重有嚴格限制,「太重飛不起來」,導致殲-15最大作戰能力不能完全有效發揮。

她認為,中國下一步肯定要發展配備「彈射器」的航空母艦,所以現在著手這方面的研究,應該是中國發展航母必然的一步。

北京戰略學者胡思遠表示,中國除了要成功研製彈射器,更重要的是為中國未來建造更多的航母艦隊,維護中國的海洋權益,將中國的海上利益向更遠的遠海去伸展、拓展,這才有歷史意義。

關鍵字:殲-31遼寧艦轟炸機



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What a lie? Just let you sit on this vaperware. See how far you can go?

呵呵!

老丐在美國搞軟體的時候, 最流行的自嘲笑話是:

對於競爭對手, 最厲害的殺著, 就是將自己的計劃, 讓對方偷去! 

雷根總統, 打敗蘇聯. 就是靠害他們搞星戰! 美國到現在, 才準備演習攻擊[北斗]. 蘇聯真慘! 誰偷F-35 "機密"? 誰倒楣!

Theft of F-35 design data is helping U.S. adversaries: Pentagon

By David Alexander

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The theft of sensitive design data by hackers targeting programs like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter takes away a big U.S. advantage by allowing rivals to speed up development of their own stealth aircraft, a top Pentagon official said on Wednesday.

Defense acquisitions chief Frank Kendall told a Senate hearing he was reasonably confident thatclassified information related to the development of the F-35 was well-protected.

"But I'm not at all confident that our unclassified information is as well-protected," he said.

"A lot of that is being stolen right now and it's a major problem for us," Kendall told a Senate hearing on development of the Lockheed Martin fighter, a so-called fifth generation aircraft capable of evading radar and integrated air defense systems.

The F-35 is the costliest weapons program in U.S. history. The United States is building it along with eight international partners and intends to purchase nearly 2,450 of the aircraft at a cost of almost $400 billion.

Responding to questions from senators concerned about whether cyber theft had left the F-35 vulnerable to attack, Kendall said his primary concern was that the design and production edge had been forfeited to competing powers.

"What it does is reduce the costs and lead time of our adversaries to doing their own designs, so it gives away a substantial advantage," Kendall said.

"It's the amount of time and effort they're going to have to put into getting their next design and staying with us," he added. "And as you're probably well aware, at least two nations are well into developing fifth-generation aircraft right now, so that's a concern."

Kendall did not name specific countries, but China and Russia are among the nations developing fifth-generation fighter jets.

The acquisitions chief said he was working on steps that would result in stronger sanctions against defense contractors who fail to do a better job at protecting their sensitive information systems.

CHINA REPORT

The remarks by the defense acquisitions chief came a month after the Pentagon said in its annual China report that Beijing was using cyber espionage to acquire advanced technologies to fuel its fast-paced military modernization program.

The report for the first time charged that cyber intrusions into U.S. government computer systems appeared to be directly attributable to the Chinese government and military, adding the main purpose was to benefit its defense industries.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel raised those concerns this month at the Shangri-La dialogue in Singapore, a multinational Asian security event that included a high-level Chinese military delegation.

U.S. President Barack Obama discussed the issue with Chinese President Xi Jinping at their summit in California a few days later, warning that if the intrusions were not addressed they would become a big problem in bilateral economic relations.

China conducted a test flight of its J-20 stealth fighter jet in January 2011 just hours before then-U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates met with then-President Hu Jintao during a visit to Beijing. The test was seen as a show of force by the Chinese military.

A second Chinese stealth fighter, the J-31, made its maiden flight late last year. One security analyst said China's production of a second stealth design in as many years suggested a "pretty impressive level of technical development."

Pentagon officials have played down the Chinese aircraft advances, saying Beijing was still years away from being able to field a stealth aircraft despite the prototypes.

China was suspected of being behind a reported 2009 cyber intrusion that resulted in the theft of a huge amount of design and electronics data on the F-35. Pentagon and Lockheed Martin officials said no classified information was taken.

(Reporting By David Alexander; Editing by Xavier Briand)






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     中國駭客最近頻頻侵入國防武器製造商洛克希德馬丁公司網路,試圖竊取與英國最先進匿蹤戰機F-35聯合攻擊戰鬥機(JSF)相關的機密資訊,但事跡敗露,被洛克希德馬丁雇來的駭客一一化解。

     英國「週日郵報」今天報導,中國人民解放軍內部的秘密單位最近持續運用高階網路武器,使盡全力想竊取JSF的機密情報,但每週高達數以萬次計的電腦攻擊最後都遭瓦解。

     JSF預定2018年加入英國皇家海軍與皇家空軍。

     洛克希德馬丁(Lockheed Martin)雇用英國最傑出的「年輕駭客」,在英國罕普夏(Hampshire)一個隱密的反駭總部化解攻擊。

     消息人士說:「我們雇用一支實力堅強的年輕電腦工程師,他們...實際上都是駭客,很多時間花在對付中國人的戰爭遊戲。」

     「每次都是一樣的國家,中國大陸。中國人試圖偽裝所作所為,但是他們的人沒我們的好。」

     JSF可以深入敵境,以精準武器攻擊目標,也不會被偵測到,據說這樣的性能讓中國將領聞之喪膽。

     據了解,中國政府研發出精密的「敵後淨空網路武器」,偷偷下載電腦檔案竊取情報。

     英國情報單位「軍情五處」(MI5)與美國聯邦調查局(FBI)認為,針對洛克希德馬丁的網路攻擊來自中國人民解放軍的秘密部門。

     據了解,這個部門由數百名會講英文的電腦專家組成,他們唯一要做的工作,就是竊取英美情報。

     儘管有力證據支持這項說法,中國政府否認有此單位存在,也駁斥有關網路間諜的一切指涉。

     英國皇家空軍與海軍將配備的是每架造價1億英鎊的F-35B版JSF。這款JSF具備起飛時間短與垂直降落的先進能力,只要一個按鈕就能盤旋或降落,這也是洛克希德馬丁亟欲保護相關機密的理由。(譯者:中央社鄭詩韻)1020512




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殲─20來勢洶洶 F─35是制衡關鍵

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 ▲殲─20戰機。(取自新華網)

 ▲殲─20戰機。(取自新華網)

     新加坡《聯合早報》報導,大陸軍備日益先進,正在測試的殲─20、殲─31兩款隱形戰機,最快7年後開始服役,這將逐漸削弱其他亞洲國家的戰備戰略優勢。儘管美國F─35聯合攻擊型戰鬥機可能成為制衡關鍵,但因F─35研製計畫一再延後,這對日韓等國形成更大壓力。

     自上世紀50年代以來,大陸開始提升空中戰力,縮小和美國及其亞洲盟國的差距。

     面對大陸來勢洶洶,美國五角大廈總額4000億美元、軍史上最昂貴的F─35戰機計畫,卻因技術問題成本超出預算等問題延遲,加上削減國家預算,迫使華盛頓減少購買戰機數量,讓情況雪上加霜

呵呵! 毫不意外!

     而原先想以F─35戰機替換舊型戰鬥機的美國亞洲盟友,也因研製計畫延宕,導致更新計畫遙遙無期,至少得延後長達7年時間。

     據了解,澳洲已決定在今年6月宣布將F/A─18大黃蜂戰鬥機的數量增加1倍,以應付F─35可能遲交所產生的缺口。日本表示將照舊向美國購買42架F─35戰機;韓國今夏應會選購這類戰機;新加坡很可能在接下來幾周訂購10多架F─35戰機。

     F─35戰機交付日期可能大幅推遲,對於日韓衝擊尤大,因為日韓急需F─35戰機來替換舊式戰鬥機,拉回戰機機齡偏高、戰鬥性能大打折扣的劣勢。




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