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公投﹖還是伊娘的『婆投』﹖
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公投﹗拱頭(供上人頭)﹖

公投﹗拱頭(供上人頭)﹖還是太公早在聯網上說的﹐伊娘的『婆投』﹖對﹗就是阮台灣人說的﹕『學孔子公』﹐還是搞『孔子媽』的。

學加州的公投﹐認為是啥普世價值﹐近年來在台灣這種『直接民主』的想法﹐人氣很旺。唉﹗近幾世紀以來代﹐民主政治以大英帝國的『間接代議』為主流﹔直至晚近二十世紀初﹐也就是國父提『創制﹑複決』的那個年代﹐才有所謂『直接民主』的想法﹐政治人人懂﹐『庸俗政治』(Mediocrity)於焉開始。

一百年前﹐共產黨開始實驗無產階級統治﹐老美在加州自七十年代開始搞公投﹐現在都完全失敗。這証明﹕僅管有些東東﹐在理論可能有點依據﹐實踐後會是荒腔走調的。

 

 
 
 
 
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Jan 27 2010, 11:06 am

The Lessons of Oregon's Vote to Tax the Rich

Oregon voters approved by a wide margin new taxes on wealthy families and corporations. For two decades, Oregon voters had mimicked California, freezing property taxes, rejecting sales taxes and demanding that any surpluses go back to the people in the form of rebates. No more! The two measures will raise income taxes for households making more than $250,000 a year and raise the state's corporate income tax.

Naturally, Washington will be looking for national implications of this vote -- especially since conservative pundits greeted the Massachusetts upset like a deus ex machina.  I have two observations.

The first observation is that direct democracy is an incredibly poor way to run a state. Oregon and California's experiments in initiatives and referenda have done nothing more than reveal that their voters love services and hate taxes.

Imagine you're an Oregonian on the day of a sales tax referendum vote. You wake up, go downstairs and flip through your credit card bills while you brew the coffee. You wake up your kids, remember that you forgot to pay the tutors last month, and drive them to their fine, but admittedly mediocre public school. Then you pull onto the highway to head to work. The engine light turns on, dammit. You reach the office, toil through Excel for three hours (you really ought to be paid more for this, you remind yourself) and at noon you pass the Subway where you usually buy a cheap sandwich to save money to vote on the sales tax. You remember that there's a deep budget deficit and that something will to be done in a distant place called tomorrow. But tomorrow is tomorrow, and you need money for the credit cards, and the tutors, and the public school donations, and the engine, and the money you're not making on the job -- you need that money today. So you vote NO to all the tax increases and service cuts -- as you always have and almost always will.

I'm not saying this guy is wrong or stupid. I'm saying this guy is why we need representatives to make tough budget decisions for us.

The second observation is that I think this vote has nothing to do with Left or Right. It has to do with money and anger. With double-digit unemployment, eight-digit Wall Street bonuses and thirteen-digit federal deficits, Americans are feeling inundated with a lot of numbers that tell a simple story: America's workers have no money, America's coffers have no money, but America's rich people have a lot of money. Neither liberals nor conservatives have a monopoly on populism, and it seems to me that Obama needs to show America tonight that he feels the anger. If we're lucky, we might even see it. It's not entirely clear to me how the White House loses by taking on the banks more aggressively in the next few months to build back political mojo. Separate from whether or not it is good financial policy, a plan that says "I'm taxing the banks who created this mess and I'm funneling that money into jobs programs to help average Americans pay their mortgage" is pretty safe politics.


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唉﹗說著說著﹐就看到一個庸俗政治的例子。別急著馬上跳出來伸舌頭﹐吐口沫啊﹗

先不談理論的層次(例如人人有時間﹑有智能﹑有足夠信息﹐去瞭解公投案的實質及後果)﹐一看到您的『理想推理』﹐就讓太公想閉上嘴吧。

回想到與台獨意識強的人﹐談台灣外交的經驗。唉﹗當太公提到在台灣的中華民國曾是聯合國會員﹐他們的回答是﹕『那有這事﹖我怎麼不知道﹖』真虧這些人還是大專教育畢業的﹗要跟這種水平的談外交﹐太公還不如閉嘴﹐跟小犬說說去

在理論上﹐老毛說﹕『人多好辦事』﹐有其理也﹔但亦聞人言『人多口雜事難矣』﹐鑑諸台灣過去『藍綠鬥﹐政府空轉』﹐是亦有其理也。唉﹗您認為人人參與﹐就是好事嘛﹖是否可以說﹐您認為﹕凡是公眾之事﹐人人皆能參與﹐總是好處多於壞處﹖那是否人民事必恭親﹐如諸葛亮死而後己﹖推到很專業的議提﹐這也適用﹖所以在法國大革命時﹐羅曼羅蘭說『自由自由﹐多少罪惡假汝手』的『暴民政治』﹐算不算是好的『公投』﹖中共文革的『人民公審』﹐也是法律界的一種公投形式﹐好事一椿﹖如果不適用﹐那劃分的界點在那﹖又是誰來定呢﹖

唉﹗跟您談這些﹐費唇舌﹐無助益。還是請您去看看一些公投案的過程﹑評議﹑檢討或回憶吧。

太公給您一點小建議﹕找Andrew Tobias這位有社會良心的資本主義者的案子﹐看看他在1996年﹐有鑑加州的保險制度腐化﹐提出“No Fault insurance”﹐包括第200﹑201﹑202創制案﹐要讓律師﹑保險公司不能有厚利﹐替加州州民每年省下三百億美元保險費。

結果如何﹖唉﹗伊娘列﹐狗呅呂洞賨。

這交戰過程真精彩﹐聯網上的抹黑栽贓﹐還有看頭百倍﹔特別是見到所謂『消費者運動宗師』納達(Ralph  Nader)﹐假保護消費者的偽善名﹐替律師公會﹑保險公司打頭陣﹐出面反對這三項公投﹐騙得人民團團轉時﹐不得不拍案叫絕﹐中共那套啥『打著紅旗反紅旗』的文宣技倆﹐太粗糙啦﹗能算啥東東﹖



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有事大家一起決定討論有何不好?
2010/01/28 22:00

加州公投完全失敗那是你講的

用公投解決爭議消弭爭議表達人民意志.......好處很多

最近澎湖要不要設賭場

縣長縣議員都贊成

因為才十幾個人而已,財團要收買他們很容易

可是全縣縣民公投,財團就收買不了了

公投完

大家也不用再吵了

不然你覺得還有什麼更好的辦法?

加州公投議題參考:

舉公債興建高速鐵路

農場的動物要有足夠的空間伸展四肢

未成年墮胎必須在手術48小時(由醫生)通知家長

提高可再生能源發電比例

取消同性結婚權,結婚權只限於男女之間



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