網路城邦
回本城市首頁 不平則鳴
市長:麥芽糖  副市長: 一葉孤鴻*Jackey*逸名blackjack
加入本城市推薦本城市加入我的最愛訂閱最新文章
udn城市政治社會政治時事【不平則鳴】城市/討論區/
討論區太公的荊洲 字體:
看回應文章  上一個討論主題 回文章列表 下一個討論主題
把人當人看﹐就不是崛起而已﹐而是超英趕過美
 瀏覽1,103|回應3推薦1

曾太公
等級:8
留言加入好友
文章推薦人 (1)

麥芽糖

本文今日發表在擁有十三萬會員的英文網站﹐英文標題為﹕FICO Score Is "Fu*k" Score﹐中文題本可直譯成為『信用指數FICO﹐就是伊娘列幹死人的指數

怎麼﹐太公如此粗鄙對洋人﹐反而文雅對華人﹖唉﹗伊娘列﹐姑奶奶離國三十年﹐對國內嬌嫩的姪兒姪娃﹐當然要和顏悅色點啦﹗


Everyone is talking about buyer's or payer's credit score.  Does it make sense after all these years practice?

Don't you think that is a man-made standard? Why we have to be confined or tied up by an artifical set of man's criteria? Maybe it is the tyranny of status quo so called by M. Fredman.

As a civilized society, we do need some sort of standard. We, the human creators, have created some rules or grades to classify all the people into categories. Even in the modern societies, we still label people as those "slave" systems adopted by the Roman Empire. By some institutions, we are just a numbers, no longer a human being with our own brain and dignity. We are facing the same problems as those "backward" nations evolved from a traditional society into more modern one.

(NOTE: After WWII, we used to play the arts of language arrogance to call them "developing countries" instead of "backard countries" and now, we have invented an improved formula to call them an "emerging county." Same old shits in essence, but more comfortable to meet those nationals' self-esteem, right?)

But do we periodly check into its validity, effectivity or efficiency? I doubt it.

The current economic downturn was partially created by the computer module set up by those Wall Street grading agencies. Nobody can argue with me those module is NOT working to perform its major function: to protect the financial firms or institutions from a deadly risk.

To the so-called "FICO" credit system, we created it to develop and survive a brand new "well-managed" profitable industry in the "service" sector in our modern economy. In the end, it come back to hunt us or make itself as a self-regulated or self-supportive monster as movie described an imagined war triggered by a super computer, to kill people at the end, at least to hurt some mis-fortunate to re-start ove again. Those financial institutions can base on FICO to refuse a loan approval to a decent people who just needs a little help in his difficult times, as those black kids used to be unfairly treated socially or educationally in the past as Dr. MLK claimed.  

Even the refusal of a loan is simply caused by a banker who has no intention to loan out money, for whatever reasoon they may have, just as right now.  They can always use a FICO score as a convenient excuse to treat people in need of a chance to get their feet up.   Recently, we saw reports claiming refinancing applications are up.  But did we see any report telling us how many those applications are APPROVED?   Few, if not none, as a professional loan broker disappointedly wrote in his article.  That's why I called it a "Fuck Score" to screw people up.

When a banker wants business, he doesn't care about FICO.  That is why we have so many subprime loans in which FICO is not even a marginal factor.  It was not a important factor for a banker to approve a subprime loan. If he intends not to make loan, what we see?  All kinds of tools handy for his execuses.  Among them, a FICO score is very common since it is legally safe to avoid any possible discrimination charge.  Even creditors can claim credit score is the major part of their risk maangement and everyone does that, is it fair or humane?   On the other hand, if that's so effective, realistic and reasonable to their financial safety, why now those SMART fat cats have to hands out to our government bailout money for their mistakes? Then, it tells us that there must be some other real core or key concerns in doing the financial business, not FICO.  

Why we can have a black president today? Some people answered it by "the inspiration of Dr. MLK." Really? Then, we do need a great spirit to inspire all of us to cultivate a more humane way to treat people in the field of "credit" as Dr. MLK did in the field of race.

I have a dream: someday no human being shall be treated as a score. No one is a number.

Why I have such a thought, please see the following emails I exchanged with others today:

** 1 **

 

 

Hi! John, Here I am again, I need your opinion on this brand new (so-called "not seasoned") note. How much do you think I can get it if I sell it now? I will forward the official copy of the land contract I got from county deed desk. Enclosed herewith the following info for your reference:

1. Original Selling Price:

2. Down Payment:

3. Original Note Balance:

4. Months / Years Financed: Interest Rate:
5. Monthly Payment:
6. Balloon? Yes Date: 03/01/2019 Amount:
7. Date of First Payment: 1/8/2009 Current Appraised Value:
8. Current Balance:
9. Owner Occupied? Yes
10. Underlying Balance: No, this is the only lien against the said property.
11. Credit of Payer:

 

 

X Excellent to me, judging from the 3 month experience before the house was sold.

Although I have his SSN number, TX driver License number, and permission to check his credit, I didn't do it. This Payor/ buyer negotiated with me for about 3 months. He gave me an impression that he honors his words. Say, he would call me one the day if he said he was going to call me, without all those disappointment from others who screamed out "this is my dream home and consider it sold. Reserve it for me for one day and I will give you my downpayment tomorrow" and never show up without a phone explanation. After all, he put so much toward the downpayment and he is working for a local company, about 5 miles away from his purchase. At the beginning, we were working on a 30 year amortization schedule that will commit him to make monthly payment of ****, plus property tax and home insurance. After we went out for dinner to celebrate our accomplishment, he mentioned that he intended to pay me $*** or more each month two or 3 months later after the purchase.

 

 

According to Texas laws, I have to give him an annual financing statement, I rerun it and come out next day a 15 year amortization that is to his benefit, much better than his idea of making $200-300 prepayment every month later. He appreciated my kindness for the better option, even I told him that he needed more time to re-think his decision that will increase his monthly payment of less than $*00, instead of paying me $*** which has higher interest with 30 year amortization schedule. The total payment will be about $**** every month, including property tax and insurance (currently with state farm). I don't want him to stretch himself too thin. He accepted the idea of switching after reading the numbers. That's why we have a 15 year amortization now.

After sold, he came to visit me with fruit and soft drinks and repaired the whole kitchen faucet plumbing system. I wanted to pay him for the labor, he responsed: "No, don't you know I know how to appreciate people? You help me to get into my dream home?"

Yes, a modern person seems to forgot "appreciation" due to the idea of social entitlement. That's why I always try to help people as a human being: the spiritual sense of achievement out of helping has more value than the material one.

He is an employee who doesn't have the luxury to take time out so that he used his credit card and fax to set up his utilities to the house as he told me. At least, he still owns a credit card; and that means he is credit worth to someone else. To me, I believe he is decent and honest. But you don't have to take my words (I really don't care much about FICO from my business experience until retirement as long as there is enough downpayment or vest interest put up by a buyer. Now so many people who have good credit walked away from their houses.) and just run his credit check if you like.

NOTE: As a human being, we have created so many things, including laws, regulations, concepts and categories, etc. Some things we created are bad enough to tied us up. Take a good look at the ABS grading system set up by those Wall Street grading agency. The computer module they used lead us into this economic downturn. Do they work? You tell me.

Tell you the truth, I am a human being who is not going to take all the man-made standard or systems for granted. I refuse to be a slave confined by a man-made rule, norm or custom. I am not going to judge people by other artificial pre-set criteria as a classified society set by our ancestors in history. For example, so-called "FICO" credit system is no better than the Wall Street grading agency's. I look at "FICO" score as "FU*K" score, an artificial standard but far from a natural and realistic stuff to give you the true reality. See, they can't prevent those credit-worthy people walk away from their home with "option" loan. Does it work by treating a human being as a "number"?

Why I am so negative about FICO? Don't say I have a poor credit score from those 3 agencies. I guarantee that my score has been "excellent" in the last 15 years. Even I was graded "poor" during my divorce and after, in 1989-93. Simply my hardship was incurred by a divorce, unemployment, and a home being foreclosed happen at the same time. Am I not the same person? I doubt it.

I have known the payer for only 3 months and obseve his words and deeds. No need to tell me he is a decent and wonderful natural person, I can sense it. Here, please check the website link to get those pictures: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/ 

12. Property Type
X Single Family Res:( ***2128 sqft)
X Land (half acre:175'x 125' corner residential lot) with Improvements (utilities) electrical, water, phone, cable ready, trash.
13. X Deed of Trust N Mortgage X Land Contract X Contract for Deed
14. Title Policy: Yes (I hold the legal title until my loan is paid off; and my original title insurance is still effective.)
15. Property Description and Location / Comments: Residential *** home with ½ acre home cornor lot (175‘ X125‘). It is in a county property setting, just one block south of city limit of **** and ***** new police headquarter. In the past two years, the community refused to be annexed into ********* city for too much property taxes and high utility charges. The property is right on the fastest growth path between ***** and ******. The best possible zoning usage is prime residential. I can see the public sewage system is approaching right at the intersection, there is only septic tank in the property.

 

** 2 **

--- J @.com> wrote: 

From: .com>
Subject: [FWD: Mortgage Note Quote]
To: "E T" <e@yahoo.com>
Date: 9:55 AM


Hello Ed, how was your weekend?

I wanted to reach out to you this morning and see if you had any reaction to the quote i had sent over, if you had any questions, concerns, etc.

So please get back to me at your earliest convenience and let em know how things are going.

Awesome! thank you Ed.

JT
President

After I reply your email, I read this one email asking my other ntoe. Enclosed here for your reference.

ET P.S. I gave up the idea of convincing people to be realistic 5 years ago. As an individualist, I am NOT trying to change your idea or your own way to do business; and please do whatever you believe is right and comfortable. I will see if we can make a deal. If not, let it be. ET

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, ET <e@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: E T <e@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Land contract
To: Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:23 AM

Sorry, that note created about 3 years ago was paid off 27 months ago.

That means I select my buyer very cautiously and effectively without my "depending" on so-called credit system or checking into her credit history. Here is a new one just created for your reference.

ET

charlie wrote:

CHARLES****** A******* INVESTMENTS LLC. (979)***-1933 MY NAME IS CHARLES *****, MY COMPANY IS A***** INVESTMENTS LLC. A NEW COMPANY THAT BUYS OWNER-SELLER FINANCED MORTGAGE NOTES, LAND CONTRACTS, DEEDS OF TRUST, TRUST DEEDS ETC. WE CAN CLOSE FAST ON THESE NOTES SO IF YOU OR ANY OF YOUR CLIENTS HAVE ANY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SALE, AND THERE TIRED OF WAITING MONTH AFTER MONTH FOR THESE PAYMENTS THEN A******* INVESTMENTS LLC. CAN HELP GET THE MONEY YOUR OWED TOMMORROW TODAY, CALL AND GET A FREE QUOTE WE CAN CLOSE FAST!!!!!! *******  A******** INVESTMENTS LLC. (979)***-1933

 


雲遊去了﹐有緣自聚

本文於 修改第 1 次
回應 回應給此人 推薦文章 列印 加入我的文摘

引用
引用網址:https://city.udn.com/forum/trackback.jsp?no=50539&aid=3228718
引用者清單(2)
2009/03/31 05:28 【曾太公落美洲】 硬体地產及軟体地產的買賣
2009/01/31 09:33 【曾太公落美洲】 只知中國禮教會吃人﹐怎知西方『制度也吃人』﹖
 回應文章
中國說『禮教吃人』﹐怎知西方『制度也吃人』﹖
推薦1


曾太公
等級:8
留言加入好友

 
文章推薦人 (1)

麥芽糖

五四運動時﹐中國賢人說﹐中國禮教吃人﹐主張全盤西化﹔渠等那會知美國屎﹐未必比中國的香﹖盲目崇洋﹐怎知西方『制度也吃人』﹐實另類『苛政猛於虎』﹖

See almost everybody is talking about FICO, a number.  

Well, this is a so-called well-managed society that set up so many systems, regulations or institutions to limit ourselves, if not deprive of our human being's creativity or humanity.

When can we treat people as a human being?  I hope we don't step on people when they are falling down by misfortunate.  There is no good heart and it is very cruel by simply using FICO score to refuse them a chance to get up.  

 

***

Dear Nancy:

Thank you very much for keeping me in your mind.

To keep you posted, please find the enclosed email I sent out 10 minutes ago for your reference. Thank.  Keep in touch and you are always welcome to make me an offer I can't resist. 

Have a nice day.

ET

From: Nancy

Hello Ed,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  The investor that buys these type of notes said we need to wait for a 3 month seasoning period or until after you have received at least 3 note payments.  They also said that the credit score needs to be a minimum of 625 with a minimum of a 10% down payment before they can give you a quote.  I know you told me they put more than 10% down, so the only thing we have to find out is there credit score.   Please let me know if you can wait for 3 months and I will be glad to get you a quote at that time.  

Also, if I am able to get another Investor quote for you from another source I will contact you right away.  

Thank You,

Nancy L



--- On Fri, 1/30/09, E T <@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: E T <@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Texas Note (offer)
To: "Smith & Associates" <@aol.com>
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 3:43 PM

Dear Freddie:

I have a good neighbor who is the buyer of my house and now my payor on the note.  It seems everybody like them, at least my next door Kevin and Jennifer told me that.

After he made his first payment and moved in, he visited me 4 times with fruits and soft drinks.  He volunteered to fix my new residence kitchen faucet leaking and finally changed the whole parts in two days (I have to go out buy the whole faucet from Lowe's).   I'd like to pay him labour, he refused my offer and said "Don't you know I know how to appreciate you?"

While he is fixing my plumbing, the previous owner before me called me wanting to buy back the house.  I told her that it was sold.  She wanted me to ask my buyer if it is possible for her to buy her home back.  I asked Edurado (my buyer), "do you want to re-sell the house and make some profit? Now here is a chance."  He replied, "No way, Jose! I am not going to sell it to nobody."   He  is so happy that I gave him the chance to buy his dream home after his home serach for 9 months.  As he said, it has been very difficult to get a loan from banks.   In the past 15 days, He is improving the house, such as to replace the old side stepping deck with a brand new one in the house I sold to him. 

I am happy too, for I have a good buyer and an excellent steady secured income for my retirement.  Better than that, my return is about 4 times than the current bank 1 year CD.   

At the time I put the note up for sale, I am considering to buy a California or Arizona hom to please my daughters.   But it took too much time to sell the note, I missed the opportunity to buy my target properties.  However, my plan to buy a house is still in my mind since I will do anything to make my daughters happy.  They said it is hard for them to take care of me for the long distance.  Even I really wonder if I need their TLC, I will keep looking.   I know I need more cash reserve ready to make an offer when a good home purchase shows up.   So I will keep the door open to sell the note if the price is right.  Otherwise, I keep it since I am very comfortable at my house buyer/ note payor at this time.

On Jaunary 19, I did accept an note offer from a lady Kimberly, but I am very disappointed at the "biased" contract sent by her investor that seems no deadline for closing; and refused to sign it.  So there is no binding legal contract yet.

Well, thank you for your kindness to make me an offer.  But no thanks for your lower full purchase price that is about the amount of some partial purchase offers from others.

Keep in touch and have a nice day.

ET  

--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Smith & Associates <@aol.com> wrote:

From: Smith & Associates <@aol.com>
Subject: Texas Note (offer)
To: ET@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 2:19 PM

Full purchase offer: *****
Mortgage Note Consultant
Smith & Associates  



本文於 修改第 2 次
回應 回應給此人 推薦文章 列印 加入我的文摘
引用網址:https://city.udn.com/forum/trackback.jsp?no=50539&aid=3243526
老美沒聞異見而紅臉﹐罵人低等或寫傻文呦﹗
推薦1


曾太公
等級:8
留言加入好友

 
文章推薦人 (1)

麥芽糖

I've been around in this business since the early 1980's.  I remember when REAL people/underwriters used to look at credit reports and READ them.  See if they were late on bills - see if they screwed people out of their "promise to pay" credit card bills or medical bills.

I had a perfect 750 +credit score until this year when banks panicked and reduced every heloc line and credit card limit to the balances that were there at the time of their decisions to cut back and my score dropped 100 points!  I do this for a living and mentor people on how to keep a good score and MANIPULATE the system into thinking you are a good risk.  Pathetic isn't it?  Now you can't even manipultate the computer unless you pay everything off and owe noone anything.  EVEN if you've never been late and have spent 100,000 to these credit card companies for your business on time every month every year for 10 years - you are - how did you say it?  fico ucked?  I'm with you on this one - I think there needs to be a change in this system that not only penalizes the client but now is another reason for the banks/investors to justify their LLPA's.  I'd go back to a banks "panel any day.

 

回應 回應給此人 推薦文章 列印 加入我的文摘
引用網址:https://city.udn.com/forum/trackback.jsp?no=50539&aid=3228849
FICO Score Is "Fu*k" Score
推薦0


曾太公
等級:8
留言加入好友

 

1 Comments on FICO Score Is "Fu*k" Score

See, an other one comes in after my post, Sore is the KEY, right?

Gee, I am not going to let everyone made an inqury runs my buyer's credit check, even I have the legal authorization to do so.   It is my intention to protect my buyer's privacy; also, you know runing a credit will decrease how many points to my buyer.  

If I let everyone do credit check, my buyer's credit went down to ZERO now.   Great, another catch 22 situation created by our man-made system.

No way Jose! I have to treat my buyer as a human being. 

 

Your file

 

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:39 PM From: "F@aol.com" F@aol.com To: e@yahoo.com Cc: F***3@aol.com

Edward:
Since no payments have been paid at all on this account -The KEY however to how we might price this deal is going to surround the credit profile and credit worthiness of the payor.

Do you have his SS# info so we can quickly confirm his credit and thus accurately price this file?  

Warmly,

回應 回應給此人 推薦文章 列印 加入我的文摘
引用網址:https://city.udn.com/forum/trackback.jsp?no=50539&aid=3228744