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Global warming 'irreversible' for next 1000 years: study

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Climate change is "largely

irreversible" for the next 1,000 years even if carbon

dioxide (CO2) emissions could be abruptly halted,

according to a new study led by the US National Oceanic

and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

The study's authors said there was "no going back" after

the report showed that changes in surface temperature,

rainfall and sea level are "largely irreversible for more

than 1,000 years after CO2 emissions are completely

stopped."

NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon said the study,

published in this week's Proceedings of the National

Academy of Sciences journal, showed that current human

choices on carbon dioxide emissions are set to

"irreversibly change the planet."

Researchers examined the consequences of CO2

building up beyond present-day concentrations of 385

parts per million, and then completely stopping emissions

after the peak. Before the industrial age CO2 in Earth's

atmosphere amounted to only 280 parts per million.

The study found that CO2 levels are irreversibly impacting

climate change, which will contribute to global sea level

rise and rainfall changes in certain regions.

The authors emphasized that increases in CO2 that occur

from 2000 to 2100 are set to "lock in" a sea level rise

over the next 1,000 years.

Rising sea levels would cause "irreversible commitments

to future changes in the geography of the Earth, since

many coastal and island features would ultimately become

submerged," the study said.

Decreases in rainfall that last for centuries can be

expected to have a range of impacts, said the authors.

Regional impacts include -- but are not limited to --

decreased human water supplies, increased fire

frequency, ecosystem change and expanded deserts.

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Mass migrations and war: Dire climate scenario

CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent

CAPE TOWN, South Africa – If we don't deal with climate

change decisively, "what we're talking about then is

extended world war," the eminent economist said.

His audience Saturday, small and elite, had been stranded

here by bad weather and were talking climate. They

couldn't do much about the one, but the other was

squarely in their hands. And so, Lord Nicholas Stern was

telling them, was the potential for mass migrations setting

off mass conflict.

"Somehow we have to explain to people just how worrying

that is," the British economic thinker said.

Stern, author of a major British government report

detailing the cost of climate change, was one of a select

group of two dozen — environment ministers, climate

negotiators and experts from 16 nations — scheduled to

fly to Antarctica to learn firsthand how global warming

might melt its ice into the sea, raising ocean levels

worldwide.

...

"International diplomacy is all about personal relations,"

Solheim said. "The more people know each other, the less

likely there will be misunderstandings."

Understandings will be vital in this "year of climate," as the

world's nations and their negotiators count down toward a

U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen in December,

target date for concluding a grand new deal to replace the

Kyoto Protocol — the 1997 agreement, expiring in 2012,

to reduce carbon dioxide and other global-warming

emissions by industrial nations.

Solheim drew together key players for the planned brief

visit to Norway's Troll Research Station in East

Antarctica.

Trying on polar outfits for size on Friday were China's

chief climate negotiator Xie Zhenhua, veteran U.S.

climate envoy Dan Reifsnyder, and environment ministers

Hilary Benn of Britain and Carlos Minc Baumfeld of Brazil.

Later, at dinner, the heavyweights heard from smaller or

poorer nations about the trials they face as warming

disrupts climate, turns some regions drier, threatens food

production in poor African nations.

Jose Endundo, environment minister of Congo, said he

recently visited huge Lake Victoria in nearby Uganda, at

80,000 square kilometers (31,000 square miles) a vital

source for the Nile River, and learned the lake level had

dropped 3 meters (10 feet) in the past six years — a loss

blamed in part on warmer temperatures and diminishing

rains.

In the face of such threats, "the rich countries have to

give us a helping hand," the African minister said.

But it was Stern, former chief World Bank economist, who

on Saturday laid out a case to his stranded companions in

sobering PowerPoint detail.

If the world's nations act responsibly, Stern said, they will

achieve "zero-carbon" electricity production and zero-

carbon road transport by 2050 — by replacing coal power

plants with wind, solar or other energy sources that emit

no carbon dioxide, and fossil fuel-burning vehicles with

cars running on electric or other "clean" energy.

Then warming could be contained to a 2-degree-Celsius

(3.4-degree-Fahrenheit) rise this century, he said.

But if negotiators falter, if emissions reductions are not

made soon and deep, the severe climate shifts and sea-

level rises projected by scientists would be "disastrous."

It would "transform where people can live," Stern said.

"People would move on a massive scale. Hundreds of

millions, probably billions of people would have to move if

you talk about 4-, 5-, 6-degree increases" — 7 to 10

degrees Fahrenheit. And that would mean extended global

conflict, "because there's no way the world can handle

that kind of population move in the time period in which it

would take place."

Melting ice, rising seas, dwindling lakes and war — the

stranded ministers had a lot to consider. But many

worried, too, that the current global economic crisis will

keep governments from transforming carbon-dependent

economies just now. For them, Stern offered a vision of

working today on energy-efficient economies that would

be more "sustainable" in the future.

"The unemployed builders of Europe should be insulating

all the houses of Europe," he said.

After he spoke, Norwegian organizers announced that the

forecast looked good for Stern and the rest to fly south on

Sunday to further ponder the future while meeting with

scientists in the forbidding vastness of Antarctica.

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2007 Bali Climate Declaration by Scientists

This consensus document was prepared under the

auspices of the Climate Change Research Centre at the

University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia.

The 2007 IPCC report, compiled by several hundred

climate scientists, has unequivocally concluded that our

climate is warming rapidly, and that we are now at least

90% certain that this is mostly due to human activities.

The amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere now far

exceeds the natural range of the past 650,000 years, and

it is rising very quickly due to human activity. If this trend 

is not halted soon, many millions of people will be at risk

from extreme events such as heat waves, drought, floods

and storms, our coasts and cities will be threatened by

rising sea levels, and many ecosystems, plants and

animal species will be in serious danger of extinction.

The next round of focused negotiations for a new global

climate treaty (within the 1992 UNFCCC process) needs

to begin in December 2007 and be completed by 2009.

The prime goal of this new regime must be to limit global

warming to no more than 2ºC above the pre-industrial

temperature, a limit that has already been formally

adopted by the European Union and a number of other

countries.

Based on current scientific understanding, this requires

that global greenhouse gas emissions need to be reduced

by at least 50% below their 1990 levels by the year 2050.

In the long run, greenhouse gas concentrations need to

be stabilised at a level well below 450 ppm (parts per

million; measured in CO2-equivalent concentration). In

order to stay below 2ºC, global emissions must peak and

decline in the next 10 to 15 years, so there is no time to

lose.

As scientists, we urge the negotiators to reach an

agreement that takes these targets as a minimum

requirement for a fair and effective global climate

agreement.

The 2007 Bali Climate Declaration has been signed by

the following scientists:

(簽名者人名略)

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這篇宣言一開始就說共識,因此,沒有決議的過程或動作。任何同意其內容的氣候學家都可在這份宣言上簽字。

這篇內容也沒有事實這個字眼。只是陳述簽署者所同意的現象或研究結果。

這篇內容也沒有2,500科學家這個字眼。只說幾百位氣候學家,而且有簽名者的名字,正確的數目可以一個一個的算。

這篇內容也沒有異口同聲這個字眼。unequivocally的意思應該是明確毫無疑義。它指簽名者對所根據研究結果(觀察數據)完全信任而沒有疑問。

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1.     意識型態和個人判斷

在大作《全球暖化-社會主義的糖果外衣》中

「我們見到的是”社會主義”幽靈,附在”全球暖化”身上的現象。」

以及大作《全球暖化-事實與政治》中

2. 歐巴馬任命社會主義背景Carol Browner為全球暖化官,此任命不須國會同意。根據Wiki,她是國際社會主義組織十四位領袖之一,可是她的名字在上星期卻從組織官網移除。該組織主張限制經濟活動以抗衡全球暖化。」

這兩段話中的「社會主義」是不是在「戴帽子」呢「社會主義『幽靈』」的「幽靈」一詞是不是「個人判斷用語」呢

2.     高爾和我論點的相關性

我提高爾的目的是要「反證」︰

鼓吹或呼籲大眾正視全球暖化」的人士中,都是社會主義者、有社會主義背景社會主義的代言人。」

即指出這類說法的謬誤。它在我舉出的直接證據之外(謝謝你同意我的分析),間接支持我的「合理懷疑」。也就是我批評你的觀點「可能是被某些『意識型態』洗腦所致。」這句話。

 3.     全球暖化議題的沿革及其科學性

全球暖化」的議題並不自今日始。

1960年代NASA委託James Lovelock研究火星是否可能有生命。Lovelock將其研究報告在1979年以書本形式刊行,引起所謂「生態學」的熱烈討論及更廣泛的研究(以上見wikipedia)。

生態學」的研究加上地球生態日益惡化的現實,共同助

1992年的「京都協議」。

全球近兩百個國家中,到2008年有183個國家和/或國體簽署「京都協議」,其中兩國尚未認可;未表態國家則有13個(簽署國家數目及類別見wikipedia)。

科學史上從來沒有一個完全確定而沒有異議的理論或發現。就我所知,一個科學理論或發現只需要符合︰說得通、不被完全「反證」、絕大多數研究者都同意這三個條件,就是一個「完整」、「可被接受」、「言之成理」的理論或發現。我相信「全球暖化」就是這樣的一個理論或「事實」。

我知道有科學家不同意「全球暖化」這個理論或「事實」,但他/她們是科學家中極少數的一群;我也知道有科學家接受「全球暖化」這個「事實」,但提出不同於主流觀點的「全球(何以)暖化」理論。

我不是「氣候學」專家,也就沒有資格根據學術理論來討論「全球暖化」議題。在網上搜尋一下,相關資料比比皆是,不用我硬充內行。

4.     社會主義全球暖化的相關性

我的主旨並不在論述「全球暖化不是「事實」,而在根據以上的簡單說明,論述︰

把「社會主義」和「全球暖化」連接在一起,並不是一個說得通的說法。

這種說法也無視於

目前宰制國際社會的國家主要是由所謂的「資本主義」或接近「資本主義」的政府、政黨、企業、和財團在操控這個事實 

因此,如果有人一而再、再而三的宣稱「全球暖化」和「社會主義」有什麼政治上和/或意識型態上的關聯,我不能不「合理懷疑」這種人自己「可能是被某些『意識型態』洗腦所致。」

5.     傳統基金會

你引用了來自「傳統基金會」的論述。我相信了解美國政治思潮的人,都知道它是保守派、新保守派、或「新經濟自由主義學派」的大本營之一。我只是很奇怪︰

在「新經濟自由主義」成了過街老鼠的今天,為什麼還有人輕信他/她們的大話、神話、或鬼話。

難道這人沒聽過金融風暴或一點都不知道金融風暴的來龍去脈?

難道這人不知道「傳統基金會」全力為布希的伊拉克戰爭護航(或籌劃),以及這個戰爭的「正當性」和「效益性」已全面破產?

不識「時務」的「時務」指這兩個當前正在發生的時事。雖然,捅了這兩個大漏子並不直接證明「傳統基金會」的學者都是笨蛋,或他/她們在「全球暖化」的觀點和以上兩個「論述」(新經濟自由主義WMD)同樣是胡說八道。但被唬弄了兩次以後,一個理性的人至少要多搜集一些資料,或參考、參考一些另類觀點,再做照「傳統基金會」之本宣科的動作。「理性」在此指根據過去經驗來行動和決策的思考模式。

6.     歐巴馬的經濟振興方案

簡單談談歐巴馬的經濟振興方案。

歐巴馬任命的財政部部長和白宮經濟首席顧問都在柯林頓和/或布希政府擔任過經濟/財政官員。由於是任期制,布希任命的聯準會主席仍然留任。柯林頓或許是個色狼,布希或許是個白痴,但沒有一個理性的人懷疑他們兩人是「社會主義者」的同路人。因此,用「社會主義」來形容歐巴馬經濟振興方案,不亦「意識型態」和/或「不識『時務』」乎?

我強調「一個『理性』的人」,是因為參加John Birch

society者大概會認為︰

「非我JBS會員,必為『社會主義者』同路人。」(如高爾)

我懷疑「傳統基金會」的學者,有些是未「出櫃」的JBS會員。

7.     再談意識型態

最後回到「意識型態」的議題。

我不是聖人或天師,我的判斷當然是個人判斷,而不是「真理」。

我接受社會建構論,這是我何以認為

凡論述必有假設;凡判斷必有立場。

也就是說,根據知識社會學或社會建構論,所有論述都是某種意義(或程度)的「意識型態」(就我的了解,此詞有三種意義)。

請以「說得通」或「說不通」來批評我的論述。只要我的判斷講得出一個道理和/或有某些(事實)根據,是否「意識型態」或個人判斷並不重要。

(請注意我文章中的「因此」、「『因為』...,『所以』... 。」、「『如果』...,『』... 。」等等連接詞,它們引出我的「論點」(=「邏輯」或「根據」。))

同理,如果我奉送的帽子大小、式樣、顏色、和質料等都適如被送帽子者之份,則我即使在「戴帽子」,它並不能改變我眼光(= 分析)精準的事實。

面對現實和解決問題是我論述的最高準則。因此,我一向主張就事論事,也隨時準備修改或修正我的觀點。只有抱著「意識型態」不放的人(在此「意識型態」 = 「虛偽意識」),或堅持「意識型態」以維護某類集團利益的人(在此「意識型態」 = 「宰制論述」或「政治鬥爭武器」),才會認為或宣稱自己的論述是「真理」。

 



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感謝查證與指正,在此對引用錯誤致歉。我以後會對所有引用連結更加小心。另本文還有許多其他連結,若還有發現問題也請指教。

您說得沒錯,2008波蘭會議並沒有做此結論,該會議已認定人為全球暖化是事實。我之前想說的”決議(其實不是決議)”應該是這個2007年的峇里島氣候宣言。其開宗明義提到,”2500名科學家異口同聲的達成結論:有90%的可能全球暖化是人類造成”。

我從沒說高爾是社會主義。社會主義的是八千億經濟刺激方案,還有新的美國全球暖化官等。

如果您認為認為全球暖化為真,或是政府大量支出的社會主義路線比資本主義更有助恢復經濟,請儘可能用資料說明。我會在這裡發言是認為在此地能就事論事。「(沒)有理性」,「意識型態」,「洗腦」,「虛偽意識,「宰制論述」,「不識時務」,「偏執」,「過時」等名詞是屬於戴帽子或個人判斷用語,無助於釐清真象。
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「聯合國去年12月1日在波蘭開會,”決議”全球暖化是事實(這個..應該是科學上不能證實,所以要用決議的)。(http://blog.udn.com/martinique/2561315)

我將你上文中決議」一詞所連接的報導轉貼於下,並將其第一段翻譯成中文

我看不出全文中有任何一段文字可以被合理性的詮釋解讀

「『決議』全球暖化是事實

由於你的詮釋和所詮釋現實不相容或不登對,我合理懷疑你的觀點可能是被某些「意識型態」洗腦所致。

我曾說過

... 這是當前任何一個國家的經濟政策(包括美國北韓和古巴)都只能以混合經濟來描述的原因今天並沒有歷史上也從來沒有純種的資本主義社會主義或任何XX主義

你的評論常以「資本主義」和「社會主義」這種簡單的二分法做論述基礎或修詞性的表達。就我的了解,客氣的說,這種思考方式已經過時(麥加錫時代);嚴格的說,這種思考方式是一種「意識型態」或被「意識型態」洗腦所致,也就是一種「虛偽意識」或「宰制論述」。

在金融風暴搞得全球經濟衰退和失業人數暴增後,還抱著「『純種()資本主義」或「傳統基金會」的論述不放,不亦不識時務或過於偏執乎

不論高爾的主張如何,我相信沒有一個理性的人會稱他為社會主義者、有社會主義背景社會主義的代言人

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在波茲南舉行的聯合國氣候改變討論會1213(星期六)獲得與會政府代表就氣候改變議題的明確承諾。此承諾的要點包括

1.  各國政府將於2009年就氣候改變議題進行積極的協商以形成針對氣候改變的全面及有效的國際性應付方案

2.  此方案預定於2009年年底在哥本哈根由與會者討論通過

3.  方案的第一個具體草案應於2009年六月在波昂召開的UNFCCC會議時完成

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The United Nations Climate Change Conference in

Poznań on Saturday 13 December with a clear

commitment from governments to shift into full negotiating

mode next year in order to shape an ambitious and

effective international response to climate change, to be

agreed in Copenhagen at the end of 2009. Parties agreed

that the first draft of a concrete negotiating text would be

available at a UNFCCC gathering in Bonn in June of 2009.

At Poznań, the finishing touches were put to the Kyoto

Protocol’s Adaptation Fund, with Parties agreeing that the

Fund would be a legal entity granting direct access to

developing countries. Progress was also made on a

number of important ongoing issues that are particularly

important for developing countries, including: adaptation;

finance; technology; reducing emissions from

deforestation and forest degradation (REDD); and

disaster management.

A key event at the Conference was a ministerial round

table on a shared vision on long-term cooperative action

on climate change. The round table provided the

opportunity to lay the foundations for further work on the

components of an agreed outcome at COP 15 in

Copenhagen. Further, it sent a clear message regarding

the need to continue to build momentum on the many

points of convergence among all nations. The next major

UNFCCC gathering will take place from 29 March to 8

April 2009 in Bonn, Germany.



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1. 全球溫度在上升嗎?答:看時間,過去數十年,對;過去數萬年,錯。
2. 溫度上升是人類活動造成?答:不確定,研究中
3. 以前有沒有這麼高過?答:有,更高的也有
4. 以後溫度會升高還是降低?答:不知道,起碼今年嚴重降低
5. 為什麼大家這麼喜歡說全球暖化?答:因為媒體,政客,和社會主義者這樣說
6. 全球暖化有何”功能”?答:可以用來反對資本主義,百戰百勝

一些小想法和參考資料連結:

怪現象二:全球暖化
全球暖化-事實與政治
全球暖化-社會主義的糖果外衣


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